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Post by ckooiman on Jul 10, 2008 19:31:19 GMT -5
plus, has anyone noticed how uncomfortable d rose is in front of the cameras during news conferences? how is he gonna respond to being the voice of an nba team during a time out with the entire nation watching when there are 2 seconds left and his team is down by 1. i just don't see him being that leader. i think he inherited a team that already had solid leadership (you don't get those 4 year numbers from no-where), and he was the beneficiary of inheriting a solid team without a need for leadership. that is not these chicago bulls. he would have been better going to miami.
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Post by nets on Jul 10, 2008 19:33:19 GMT -5
dumbass u dont need to be leader outisde court he never was he is leader on court man u need to learn more bout nba dude get ur facts staright and beasley no leader dude hes very good but he no dwaYNE WADE LEADER type guy but he all star no doubt rose is leader cuz he pg and will thrive with our system so
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Post by ckooiman on Jul 10, 2008 19:42:04 GMT -5
ok buddy if u saw rose you will know that he cant be bust he is one of fastest guys in nba on open floor and even if he gets worse stats then other guys dont mean they better then him even though those sucky guards wont ever have better stats then rose but beasley will be better scorer then rose whole career but still rose will have more successful career getting 12 assists game dont mean he better then all guards dude rose is never gonna get over 11 asisits per game in his carreer hell be close but he special talent which u dont get until every 5-10 years and i dont just say that all smart nba people do all analysts i do lot kids in leagues say same i can rip this statement apart. what does he provide other than his numbers (which haven't been spectacular)? no one knows about his leadership abilities, because he inherited a team full of leaders already. he doesn't create a whole lot of spacing, because everyone has already questioned his jump shot and outside shot (and those questions have proven to be valid in the summer league). he does have exceptional speed, which he uses to his advantage, for what? that's right, produce average numbers. you making the point that rose will never average 11 assists per game isn't helping your arguement that he is going to be a great player. you are telling me that a player that averages 16/8/6 as a premier player in the nba is considered to be a great player? if that is what you are saying, i've got a trade proposal for you. bobby simmons for richard jefferson, since you know, less is more (i'm being sarcastic of course because i don't have the cap space available). he has too many questions that plague him right now, as do a lot of underclassmen that declared for the draft. i agree about randolph. there is nothing special about him, his work ethic is questionable, and he is undersized for the nba. bust written all over him. yes, rose plays with heart. but that doesn't equal leadership. yes rose plays with speed, but that doesn't equal points and assists. tell me what is to stand out about rose?
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Post by ckooiman on Jul 10, 2008 19:44:34 GMT -5
dumbass u dont need to be leader outisde court he never was he is leader on court man u need to learn more bout nba dude get ur facts staright and beasley no leader dude hes very good but he no dwaYNE WADE LEADER type guy but he all star no doubt rose is leader cuz he pg and will thrive with our system so ARE YOU F**KING KIDDING ME...with being the first pick in the draft, and given the expectations that have been placed on him to turn around the franchise, Rose better eat, sleep, shit, and breathe leadership. Otherwise, he will not live up to the expectations that have been placed on him. You proved my point, and in turn Miege's point. He will be average, but not spectacular. Just like the majority of this draft class. He will be considered a bust because he did not live up to his initial expectations.
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Post by nets on Jul 10, 2008 19:45:44 GMT -5
he is leader on court and dumbass the pg doesnt create spacing his teammates do and if rose is very effective if lots space the bulls said they want to make most space possible for him so he can run the floor and be leader and he wont be leader right away no pg has ever done that first year but he still be be fine and once he in his prime he will avg 18 points game 10 assists at most and 6 rebounds which woud be leading league in rebounding of all guards so there
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Post by ckooiman on Jul 10, 2008 19:49:19 GMT -5
he is leader on court and dumbass the pg doesnt create spacing his teammates do and if rose is very effective if lots space the bulls said they want to make most space possible for him so he can run the floor and be leader and he wont be leader right away no pg has ever done that first year but he still be be fine and once he in his prime he will avg 18 points game 10 assists at most and 6 rebounds which woud be leading league in rebounding of all guards so there creating spacing in transition is different than creating spacing in the half court set. and yes, the pg is a piece of the offense that helps to create spacing. is he an outside threat? no. he's got a suspect outside shot. is he gonna dribble drive into a jump shot? no. he's gonna penetrate straight to the basket, and meet 7 foot trees night in and night out trained specifically to stop one dimensional players like rose. chicago is not memphis, and they do not have the personnel avaiable to run a transition offense like phoenix or denver. transition offense is where rose thrives, because his penetration is effective in that offense.
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Post by carney25 on Jul 10, 2008 19:51:35 GMT -5
There is absolutely no way Rose is only the 3rd best guard in this draft. He is obviously #1.
You said he began to perform spectacularly toward the end of the season and in the tourney. That obviously means he is just gonna keep getting better and better when he is in the pros. You said Augustin's stats in his Freshmen year were equal to Rose. Okay what makes you think Rose's sophmore stats would'y be "superior" as you called Augustin's.
The fact that Rose didn't play well in the only 2 summer league games he actually played in means absolutely nothing. He is sitting out all the rest because of his knee , even though it's not even that bad. This summer league doesn't mean anything. The media overplayed that first game waaaay too much. Beasley took 21 shots , lets hope he can get 28 points off that. He was taking everything and hogging the ball. Rose took 8 shots. Now that seems like a true teammate to me. Did anybody see Beasley's stats for day 2 ? I bet you didn't cuz the media thinks he is perfect and didn't want to show his errors. He hit 1 field goal all game. That sucks. He looked totally disinterested and was getting shut down by Shawne Williams.
Say whatever you want about Rose now but I'm gonna be the one laughing when is tearing up those so called better guards.
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Post by nets on Jul 10, 2008 19:52:06 GMT -5
um actually bulls can do that offense phoenix cant do that no more new coach warriors can still cuz they got ellis bulls at every position are extremely fast prolly fastest all around group in open floor and if u knew vinny he gona have up tempo offense cuz rose like dantoni when dantoni coached in phoenix del negro as there also and now takes that to his team plus bulls got great assiistants to help rose and the young bulls to contenders
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Post by Miege22 on Jul 10, 2008 20:00:38 GMT -5
Magic Johnson.
But the real problem I have is that Rose suddenly jumped up to number one because of 2 weeks of play. If you asked ANYONE the first 4 months and change of the college season, it was unanimous that Beasley would go #1. Then, in just 6 games, Rose is #1. How does this make sense at all? Yes Rose is fast, yes he is an athletic freak, but what NBA player these days isn't? He doesn't have a great jumper, doesn't have Jason Kidd-like vision the way some experts want us to believe, and he doesn't really offer the commanding prescence that the Bulls want from him. Some players are just born with that ability to lead: MJ, Magic, Bird. Some great players aren't: Kobe, Garnett, Malone. Now, I dont know what Rose will do 3, 5, or even 10 years from now. However, from looking at what he has done in the past to project his future, I dont think he will be the "special player" that the Bulls were looking for. I dont think anyone in this draft has that, and I think it is unfair to put that over the heads of any of these kids. I think if Rose was on team's with a lot of talent and a vocal leader, he would be capable of point guarding (not a word, I know) that team to a championship. I liken him to Rajon Rondo with a slightly better shot. But, the Bulls can't expect him to be "the guy" and win a championship a la Isiah Thomas. I just dont think he has that in him. I mean, if he did, he wouldnt have missed that free throw, let alone let anyone else take the FT's that CDR did, but that's just part of it.
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Post by nets on Jul 10, 2008 20:02:33 GMT -5
i dont base rose being number 1 from his stats really tho he was #1 to me whole season for me for bulls he will have better #'s in pros once he settles in
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Post by ckooiman on Jul 10, 2008 20:03:14 GMT -5
There is absolutely no way Rose is only the 3rd best guard in this draft. He is obviously #1. You said he began to perform spectacularly toward the end of the season and in the tourney. That obviously means he is just gonna keep getting better and better when he is in the pros. You said Augustin's stats in his Freshmen year were equal to Rose. Okay what makes you think Rose's sophmore stats would'y be "superior" as you called Augustin's. The fact that Rose didn't play well in the only 2 summer league games he actually played in means absolutely nothing. He is sitting out all the rest because of his knee , even though it's not even that bad. This summer league doesn't mean anything. The media overplayed that first game waaaay too much. Beasley took 21 shots , lets hope he can get 28 points off that. He was taking everything and hogging the ball. Rose took 8 shots. Now that seems like a true teammate to me. Did anybody see Beasley's stats for day 2 ? I bet you didn't cuz the media thinks he is perfect and didn't want to show his errors. He hit 1 field goal all game. That sucks. He looked totally disinterested and was getting shut down by Shawne Williams. Say whatever you want about Rose now but I'm gonna be the one laughing when is tearing up those so called better guards. lets make this known. i don't think there are any cp3 or d will type guards in this draft. all of them will be good, but not great. the exception might be mayo. and who knows what roses numbers would have been in his sophomore season. but i know that there would have been a lot of questions answered about him if he had stayed. we wouldn't have questions about his leadership, because he would have had an opportunity to prove himself as a leader with all the seniors leaving. he would have had a year to improve his suspect jump shot and outside shot. we would have had the opportunity to see how he responds without a ton of thoroughbreds around him. give rose credit, he struck when the iron was hot. he left when the others left, and while his hype was high because he was the point guard on argueably the best team in the nation from the beginning of the season until the end. he knew there was no way next seasons team could compete, and his game would be further exposed. i think rose will be average, but not great. and i'm not making the statement that beasley would be a better leader. in my mind, beasley is another carmelo (thanks nj, you are proving another point). beasley needs a lot of shots to get his numbers, which doesn't help your team. he is a good rebounder. i think he will be a star in the league because he is marketable and good with the camera, but i think he will end up in the same spot as carmelo. superior talent but too lazy to ever reach his full potential.
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Post by carney25 on Jul 10, 2008 20:03:35 GMT -5
The Bulls WILL be able to have an extreemly fast offense this year. Lou Deng can run , Ben Gordon is quick , Kirk Hinrich can do it , Larry Hughes is fast , Joakim can get down the floor when he needs to , Andres Nocioni is fast , Thabo Sefolosha is speedy , and Tyrus Thomas will be blocking shots , running down down the floor and slamming it on Beasley's dome at will. After the first time Beasley faces Ty Thomas he will be scared. I can't wait to see that. Ty will eat his soul.
Screw Beasley.
ROSE IS THE MAN !!!
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Post by nets on Jul 10, 2008 20:04:40 GMT -5
agreed man TYRUS IS THE "SOULEATER" HE ATE BEASLEY SOUL ALREDY
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Post by Miege22 on Jul 10, 2008 20:05:51 GMT -5
Yeah he did a great job. Beasley only got 28 and 9 in that game. lol
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Post by nets on Jul 10, 2008 20:06:55 GMT -5
i wonder why maybe cuz he nevr passed the ball and the heats summer league team sucks ass hmmmm................. i wonder why he got 28 and 9
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