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Post by rien2244 on Jul 19, 2008 23:33:07 GMT -5
Some of these are current. Lets get more debate!
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Post by ckooiman on Jul 20, 2008 22:38:31 GMT -5
1) Ramon Sessions: I would not hate this contract so bad if he were going to be a primary contributor. But with him splitting time with Mo Williams, and his contract value being determined by summer league numbers, this is by far the worst contract on the list. I don't think that you can expect much from him until Milwaukee commits to him as their future, therefore he was highly over valued until that time comes.
2) Jameer Nelson: This was Rajon Rondo part 2. Insane. The only positive is that he is getting 3 million less than Rajon Rondo for putting up extremely similar numbers. He will give you a little more on points, but the rest is equal. Guess some people just have too much money to spend.
3) James Posey: I'm scratching my head about this one. The bid was sitting at 4 million, then suddenly gets bumped to 9 million. For what? A player who has never been a primary contributor, and will be coming off the bench behind Peterson and Peja? He's an energy guy who will give you decent numbers. Not 9 million numbers.
4) Jason Terry: HOLY s**t!!! That's all I can say. That much money for a 6th man? An aging 6th man at that. What are people thinking. The justification during the bidding was worse. He will be a great replacement for Kidd when Kidd retires. First of all, he wasn't the starting point guard before Kidd arrived. And second of all, do you expect Kidd to retire after next season? Yeah, neither do I. Horrible signing.
5) Zydrunis Ilgauskas: This contract is bad because of it's length, not because of it's cash value. 5 years for a player that roams the court looking like Eddie Munster, and going into the down side of his career is a little excessive. More cash on a shorter contract and this would have been a good signing.
HONORABLE MENTION: Glen Davis: Exactly what does he do to warrant his contract? Dahntay Jones: 3 million for a player that is not even on an NBA roster, and is playing in summer league for an invite to training camp. And he is nothing more than a scorer. 1 assist in 4 games, and poor rebound numbers. Good luck with that one.
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Post by kgppra on Jul 20, 2008 22:48:55 GMT -5
yeah i signed rondo to that contract and i think some of these contracts are worse than that. at least rondo has potential not 20 mil a year pitential but i mean Nelson doesnt look like he is going to get much better and terry is old and sessions well look above.
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Post by ckooiman on Jul 20, 2008 22:52:03 GMT -5
Boston...How do you defend a 20 million dollar signing on a player who puts up 10/7 numbers. On that roster, his assists should be in double figures, yet he still can't even do that. Potential??? Potential for what? To be the biggest free agent bust in this years signing period? Then to talk s**t about the Nelson signing? I have the right, because I was no where near the bidding on either of those players. But Nelson will give better value at 17 million than Rondo at 20 million, now and well into the future. Not saying Nelson was a great signing, because it was awful, but when compared to Rondo, it's a steal.
Let's call it what we all have recognized that it is. You drove up the price on Rondo so that you could force a trade with Phoenix, which back fired horrifically. I bet that you drop Rondo at the All Star break, or at the latest before next season, because you know you were trying to saddle an inexperienced GM with a bulls**t contract, and there is no way that anyone in their right mind would pay that much to a 10/7 player.
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Post by kgppra on Jul 20, 2008 23:15:50 GMT -5
hey i didnt want him at that contract and your right. And im not defending rondos contract i know its awful but many scouts agree with me when i say that Jameer nelson is not going to get much better than he is. They do however say rondo could be great. And actually rondo isnt as heavily involved in the offense i mean the celtics basically have rondo bring it accross halfcourt and give it to pierce so thats why his numbers arent as good as they should be. And yes i porbably will dump rondo at some point and try to get him back cheaper idk. But hey that last trade was fair talent wise just not salary wise. Now what would you have done if like me and the suns gm talked about and had him outbid me for rondo and then make the trade. I get your point that rondo isnt worth that much but i think you guys just got mad at me and decided i wasnt going to be able to trade rondo no matter how fair talent wise the deal was. But its all good now and there is no need to get mad over my opinion about someone making the same mistake as me. I just hope that if nelson ever appears in a trade that it is denied. lol just playin
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Post by kgppra on Jul 20, 2008 23:25:20 GMT -5
BTW the celtics in real life and in this ggame are going to kick everyones ass just to let you guys know in advance haha
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Post by ckooiman on Jul 20, 2008 23:28:32 GMT -5
Who's mad? I'm cetainly not mad. Matter of fact, i'm happy. A lot of teams are shooting themselves in the foot for future free agency because they think they have to spend their entire cap right now. I'm cool with that, i'm gonna make a killing next season when everyone is so cap strapped and can't bid against me.
As far as the Rondo trade(s) that you tried to pull off with Phoenix. You are right. Talent wise, it may have been close to fair. Contract and value wise, it was extremely lopsided. Even you know that. It was not a matter of anyone being pissed off at you. It was a matter of not allowing Crowny to not commit salary cap suicide in making the trade. $45 million on 2 players that would fill out the equivalent of a weak roster? Crowny would have had absolutely no flexibility to improve, which is why the trade was denied. I knew our trade would get denied, for the reasons mentioned above. But i'd be an idiot not to try and sneak it in under the radar to get 2 players I was coveting (and ended up with anyways) for less than I was willing to spend on them.
And in regards to future voting, it would take a very equal trade (talent and salary) in order for me to approve. IMO, Nelson and Rondo's contracts are extremely difficult to move based on their over priced contracts, and it would take a lot to convince me to change my mind on that.
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Post by kgppra on Jul 21, 2008 0:30:44 GMT -5
oh yeah i know that and i said that but the only thing i got kinda mad about (mad isnt the right word frustrated is), is that i like the moderator voting system but i think it should really be up to the gm to decide whether or not he thinks the trade is what he wants. yes if the trade is lopsided talent wise i think it i good that the mods step in and say no so there are no gasol to the laker trades going on. But i think that if a gm wants to take on the money and has a plan (even if it sucks) then he should be allowed at least that freedom. Now aybe id see this a different way if it wasnt my trades getting denied but all im saying is i think as long as the talent is fair then the trade should get approved IDk thats just my thinking but to each his own.
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Post by ckooiman on Jul 21, 2008 0:47:02 GMT -5
oh yeah i know that and i said that but the only thing i got kinda mad about (mad isnt the right word frustrated is), is that i like the moderator voting system but i think it should really be up to the gm to decide whether or not he thinks the trade is what he wants. yes if the trade is lopsided talent wise i think it i good that the mods step in and say no so there are no gasol to the laker trades going on. But i think that if a gm wants to take on the money and has a plan (even if it sucks) then he should be allowed at least that freedom. Now aybe id see this a different way if it wasnt my trades getting denied but all im saying is i think as long as the talent is fair then the trade should get approved IDk thats just my thinking but to each his own. And for the most part, the MODs do allow freedom to the GM's so long as there is an observable and explainable plan that justifies the trade. Acquiring a 20 million dollar contract for an average player for use for 1 season to make a run for the playoffs (actually, he said championship, but lets be realistic) before cutting him and taking a 5 million dollar cap hit, that only makes sense if the player is the last piece you need in order to do so, not when he is the second piece you are acquiring and in doing so you would limit your ability to follow through with the rest of the plan. You have to look at everything as a whole. Taking a 5 million dollar cap hit for a bad investment that would still put you in the lottery is not what anyone would consider "a plan". Think about it, Osama Bin Laden had a plan too, but does anyone consider it to be a good plan?
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Post by rien2244 on Jul 21, 2008 2:41:11 GMT -5
Osama Bin Laden had a plan too, but does anyone consider it to be a good plan? well.... I know some of those Jihad dudes that think it was a pretty good one....
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Post by ckooiman on Jul 21, 2008 2:42:36 GMT -5
Osama Bin Laden had a plan too, but does anyone consider it to be a good plan? well.... I know some of those Jihad dudes that think it was a pretty good one.... yeah, and they also think wearing turbans is fashionable.
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Post by rien2244 on Jul 21, 2008 2:43:39 GMT -5
well.... dont I feel dumb.
When I bought this thing they told me they were in dammit!
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Post by ckooiman on Jul 21, 2008 2:44:45 GMT -5
they are...if you feel like getting a full body cavity search when you pass through a metal detector at the airport.
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Post by rien2244 on Jul 21, 2008 2:45:38 GMT -5
Yeah gotta say... that really changed my view of the friendly skies.
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Post by ckooiman on Jul 21, 2008 2:46:30 GMT -5
yeah, the rectal check is the gift that keeps giving.
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